Hatz Welding Help
by Dale Severs

The following letters concern welding technique on 4130 tube structures. Dale's response was so full of good info that EAA reprinted it in the November, 1999 issue of Experimenter. The first is from Jeff Danda asking the questions that many homebuilders have asked about the welding process. Dale's response follows.

Hi Dale,

This is Jeff Danda, Hatz 718 builder, and I have a couple of questions that I hope that you can help with.

I have been practicing welding some clusters and have been experiencing "popping" while welding. I can manage the weld puddle quite well but every once and a while the puddle pops. I dont know what is causing this. I thought that it was because my mixture was too oxygen rich but varying this didnt seem to help much. I am setting the flame so that the outer cone almost merges with the inner cone but leaves a fuzzy shape. I think that this is correct.

How important is the mixture and if one had to error should it be in a oxidizing or carbonizing flame?

Lorin mentioned that the popping may be to the flame being too close to the puddle.Does this make sense?

When bending the fuselage sides to join at the rudder post will I need two torches to keep both the upper and longerons heated? Can I use a single torch or will the other longeron cool down too much between heating?

I am able to weld the practice clusters without blowing any holes in the tubing. I am unable to destroy the weld while trying to break it with the hammer. One thing that I am not sure of is how much filler material to use on the joint. Do I want a
convex bead of filler on the joint or can I make the weld joint smooth from one tube to the joined tube?

| | <- tube
| |
| |\
| | \ smooth weld joint
| | \
----\---
-------- <- tube

| |
| |
| |--- large bead of filler
| | |
| | |
-----------
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Thanks for any tips!

Jeff Danda

Hello Jeff,

I'm no expert, but you are welcome to my opinion.

Regarding torches:
I use a Smith aircraft torch. It is small and light and has several size tips that can be rapidly changed. The gas control is less sensitive than an automotive type torch. Rick Hansen has built two champions with the automotive type, but I struggle with it.

Regarding settings:
The gas pressures should be the same, 3 to 6 lbs depending on tip size. I set the acetylene pressure by looking at the regulator, with the acetylene valve open. (the regulator will not work unless there is some gas flow) I then close the acetylene valve and open the oxygen valve. Then I adjust the oxygen regulator so it sounds like the same velocity coming out of the end of the torch. (the gauge on the oxygen side is course at low pressures)

Regarding popping:
The pop is not coming from the puddle. It is a small explosion taking place in the torch tip. When it happens, it blows the molten metal in all directions. The largest glob of material will be found on the inside of your left shoe. This is how the ever popular Hatz Jig was invented. This handy phenomena is a good thing. I don't use tip cleaners. I keep a piece or hard wood handy and play the torch on it to get a little burn going. I then rub the end of the torch in the burning wood and POP, the
torch tip is clean and flowing. The tip must be cleaned if any
irregularity is seen in the cone.

The popping will happen if the area being welded is getting so hot that the material is vaporizing and emitting sparks, and the sparks are going up the tip of the torch. The thinner the material, the more difficult it is to maintain a uniform temperature. If things are getting too hot, the heat reflected back on the tip can cause it to pop at low velocity settings. This causes the gas to explode prior to exit.

The last thing is when closing the final weld on a tube, the air in the tube is expanding. This is more of a poof than a pop. The puddle blows out and leaves a nice hole. The molten material from a blowout will be found in the right shoe. Some folks drill holes inside the intersection of all clusters. This also allows the linseed oil to be distributed from only a few strategic locations. (If you powder coat the fuselage the oil should be done after, as some shops wont process oil filled tubes)

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE CHECK VALVES IN EACH OF THE GAS LINES SO THE POP CAN'T BACK UP TO THE REGULATORS AND BOTTLES. (just in case you
don't already have them)

Regarding flame adjustment:
You have the idea. The inner blue flame should be just slightly shrouded by the outer lighter outer flame. The gas flowing is also cooling the tip.


Each size tip can work in a range of gas flow velocity, and the larger the tip, the more total gas and heat (DUH-why did I say that). For each tip, the acetylene should be set so the flame is just about to separate from the end of the torch (before oxygen is added). You can reduce it some, however, if it is too small of a flow, and you are working in a corner, gas won't cool the tip and it will pop. If it is too fast, the flame velocity will blow the surface of the puddle around and not heat a large enough area, if you can keep it lit.

Regarding Technique:
Controlling the temperature of the puddle is key. Good penetration in on the verge of too hot. Temperature control is whatever combination of torch setting, tip size, speed of bead progress, torch angle, heat sink of adjacent material, and above all welding rod.


The welding rod is a main player in temperature. Adding more cools, holding back allows more heat to penetrate. I prefer to start at the point in the cluster that will require the most heat. This allows better heat distribution during the welding, and more can be done with fewer tip changes or torch setting adjustments. If easier welds are done first, they sink away so much heat from the cluster that a ton of heat is required in, lets say, an inside corner where five tubes come together. If two come together at a narrow angle, I start in the crotch of the tubes by placing a tack and welding toward the center line from there. I may stop short of completion if the cluster is so hot that I can't prevent the material from vaporizing and sparking. (a little sparking is normal, but the material should not appear to boil) After the entire cluster is finished I heat it to stress relive it at this time, and play the torch off on the sides as needed to facilitate straightening.

Regarding the bead:
The surface tension of a properly molten puddle, that is between the tubes, will establish a slightly concave or dish shaped bead. The amount of bead should be the minimum required to fully fill the puddle during penetration. Adequate filler is needed so that the bead does not undercut the tubing E.G. create a thin wall at the edge of the weld. My beads are on the smaller side, but not as small as say a tig welded joint.

It is next to impossible to weld through a thick bead and penetrate the underlying tubing, so try to not let the rod be painted in. E.G. puddle the base material, and then add the rod as needed. If things look to fast or hot just get out and let it cool a little. The swirly appearance is from progressing the puddle in rapid steps.

Regarding bending the sides:
No one torch is fine. It will take a little time to get both tubes up to temp., just work them all the way around evenly. They are easy to keep hot, and they bend like butter when they are hot enough. (have some stops to bend to and a square handy)
You know, but I will mention anyway, that the top longerons only go to the outside of the tail to leave a gap for the elevator horn. Doug MacBeth has a detailed note on bending the sides in the web site. (see
Bending In Fuselage Sides)

Keep us posted on your progress.

Best,

Dale


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